Like I said in another post, I recently bought a Seif chassis. It was intended to be raced at a race end of the year, but now I wanna race it at the Worlds. It is available at Ralph Seif, and therefor I assume it is allowed. Right?

Very important that Nick say.
The manufactured chasis allowed can be buy in stores, and minimum number manufactured chasis around 100, I think.
Thats my opinion.

If for some reason there has to be a minimum quantity for a commercial chassis to be allowed, why not just turn it all into DPM/EPC?????

OK, I am sorry for that punch in the ribs, but to sugest a minimum quantity someone needs to be able to prove that there has acctually been manufactured and assembled 100 chassis!

Now, as the history books shows in 1:1 racing this is close to imposible. Porsche had 25 of their 917s parked for a picture back in 1969 and the CSI approved it, even though it is evident from the picture that only a handful of the cars was actually finished. Ferrari has done the same stunts numerous times.

So, if I can just get my Photoshop working I will very easily "manufacture" 100 chassis for a picture to prove they are legal.

And next question! How many shops must have the chassis, online or store, to make it legal within the rules!?!

Sorry guys but a rule like that is going to be pure crap and imposible to police!

A commercial chassis is a chassis manufactured in a series, i.e. more than one chassis. It is availabel direct form the manufacturer or in webshops. Thats it and thats that - In my humble opinion!

Agree with Pal even though I produce my own Chassis and well over 50 have been built, i think that Mass Produced is a totally different thing..... "Handcrafted/custom" has little or nothing to do with production of, in and for masses.
The availability should be a factor also _ Commercially available.
but hey..... chew on this !!

madness

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Originally posted by fola Agree with Pal even though I produce my own Chassis and well over 50 have been built, i think that Mass Produced is a totally different thing..... "Handcrafted/custom" has little or nothing to do with production of, in and for masses. The availability should be a factor also _ Commercially available. but hey..... chew on this !! madness

Gents
May I suggest that as model racers, you do what you do best and look at 1/1 racing for inspiration

In general a commercially available item is coupled to a minimum number of produced parts, but this for such a nice market as modelcar racing is a hard to define criteria.

In using the term commercially available you should also ask the question commercially available to whom.

As a set of rules is there to make an fair competition possible so it would be logical to say that a chassis should be "commercially" available to all those who participate.

You could also use a criteria as used in F1 during the era when the rules still allowed multiple trye manufacturers.
Those who wanted to have their products used in F1 (Bridgestone, Michelin, Goodyear etc etc.) Had the obligation to supply at least half of the grid.

Such a requirement could be asked of any party that would want to introduce any part/chassis to the competition.

If the chassis has to be commecial to ex. the ½ grid, you also has to set a date for it.
ex. 30 days before the race all chassis and parts allowed are being published to the mass.

not fun to get the chassis the day before the race, no time to set up and test.

about the price for it, set a limit as maks. 5x the normal price for commercial chassis, it is much work to be done making small series part, and therefore much more expensive.

hi folks,

I can confirm that Ralph's chassis is already sold more than 50 times across Europe. The chassis can even be bought through an official web-slotcar-shop. But I can also cofirm, that the "Seifen-Kiste" ain't a chassis for touring cars like the F430. I'ts developed for Group C cars run in the SLP challenges across Germany, Switerland, Austria and newly in Netherlands (SLP Euregio).

cya,
de Massiven

but I also think it should be adressed by the organisation. I agree on making (selfmade) chassis for LMP cars, cause in my view these should be the quickest machines on a slotracing track.
I think if one doesn't want chassis like Seif's in the championship, one should have a very good reason for that, cause like Mike pointed out, these chassis are widely available. Or lets just say, just as available as a Plafit, which also sometimes have their problems getting people far away their stuff.
It is true that the chassis I now have suits GroupC and LMP's better, but actually that doesn't really matter. What if some genius wins with a 'non-suitable' rally chassis or something? point remains the same....

Cheers

Use of "mass production" chassis in actual conditions is really bad decision.
There are only two possible and correct solutions: free chassis or only homologated chassis w/o modifications.
When we are talking about imca racing cars - it means MODEL cars - realistic look. We have to spend more time on body finishing instead of chassis tunning like in ISRA, etc... From this point of view I prefere for IMCA only 1 simple homologated chassis w/o any modification and prefere body look, etc.

et voilà

IMCA turns into a 2nd constructor championship. I don't think that this is, what the IMCA responsibles want. IMHO chassis should be free for each racing series, no matter of FIA GT, LMP oder challenge series like the Ferrari 430 Challenge. Only if you have the perfect body (not only the look but also things like, weight, ballance etc.) and the perfect chassis, you'll have a chance to fight for the titel.

Cheers,
de Massiven aka. Mike

with free chassis this have a sense.