The question 1C of Gabe2001 about where is the front spur mesured, is stil not answered.

So that means that the maximum spur is 78, no mather where it should be measured. that's why I'm afraid people will not pass TC, cause the inserts will make them measure 78+....

Still waiting on some 'official' IMCA replies Maybe they can shed some light in this dark rulebook. like on the wheelfenders on the front, I've seen many variations in interpreting this rule.. Big holes in them, narrowly cut.........

If the Rulebook says 78mm wide, then everything, including Inserts, must be within the 78mm wide measurement. if yuor inserts stick out the rims, then your wheels have ben narrower, so that they fit within the 78mm wide limit.. Simple.

Al

but because of course I wanna run on 78, I'll have to put the inserts deeper into the rim, which is f*ckin' ugly!

It looks like the IMCA rule book needs some further clarification:

With cambered fronts, where will you measure the spur width? I assume where the wheels touch the ground/tech block/track. Please confirm and/or update the rule book.
Spur width and F430 inserts continued: technically the inserts have no function other than cosmetics. I would suggest to measure the width on the rim only, ignoring the inserts which might stand out of the wheel.

edited: moved FIA GT ground clearance to new thread

Hello dear sloters

I propose to not measure the front spur width. Instead, view the car from above and ensure nothing stands out from the wheel arches. This way there will be no misunderstanding regarding from spur width with camber fronts and nice inserts

Merci à J-M Tillen pour la traduction

I do not have a car here where I am at the moment but i do believe that the F430 is actually only 78mm wide.
If that is correct, and the Rule states that the body must cover the wheels completely, means that if correctly built, there is no way that the Spur can be geater than 78mm....
I Stand corrected. The body is 79,5 wide outside and inside the fenders, 78mm but you need about 0.8mm-1 mm free space between body and wheels per side meaning that you will not exceed the 78mm limit.
It is also obvious that the spur will be measured at the widest point.

Fola

I agree with Fola.

It's really impossible to get the spur any wider without "modifying" illegally the Fujimi kit.. So, I can't see how there can be any problems here..

Big Al

if you run with cambered fronts you can still be 79,5 wide and have clearence between body and wheels.

only correct thing is a max. size in mm. and offcourse measured on the lagest point (on cambered at the track) so 78 mm. is good for both cambered and non cambered wheels.

and I go for Gabes proposual, dont measure the inserts, it dosnt have any influerence on the race, put them on the cars so the cars any most beauty.

One thiong we've ALL missed, (well I did), is the rules say the Front Wheel Arches MUST BE USED!!! That takes away a lot of the "play" between wheels and body, as we have to use the plastic Front wheel arch part which comes in the standard kit... These things will look like 4x4's soon, nose up in the air...
I think that rules out Ind Fronts.. Straight setup will provide more clearance.

Anyone else ???

Big Al

I'm with Big Al.
The front wheel fenders (Arches) will be eliminated

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Originally posted by Big Al One thiong we've ALL missed, (well I did), is the rules say the Front Wheel Arches MUST BE USED!!! That takes away a lot of the "play" between wheels and body, as we have to use the plastic Front wheel arch part which comes in the standard kit... These things will look like 4x4's soon, nose up in the air... I think that rules out Ind Fronts.. Straight setup will provide more clearance. Anyone else ??? Big Al

Hi Mark,

I'm afraid it's right there dude..

(e) INTERIOR UNDER FONT BONNET - Part L1 should be cut so that the front wheel covers and the base of the dash board are maintained (all the rest may be removed ). The front fire wall may be cut such that the chassis can pass.

Having completed mine, I find I've still got good clearance, so it's all ok for now..

Chhers

Al

No sweat dude.. trust me, it's not that bad actually.. fits cool..

see you soon.

Al

Pictures F430
Is this O.K.?

Sorry, I don't know how insert pictures in this forum

The most active photo publisher is certainly Fola . Check out his F430 album at http://picasaweb.google.de/fola.osu/430


Checa you can upload picture (not larger than 800x600) via Attachment or link to it using the HTML code "open angle bracket (less than sign)img src="--URL to your picture--" /"close angle bracket (greater than sign)

[EDIT] apologies for the confusion - should have asked Fola first and not post incorrect information - and thanks Fola for the very nice and detailed pictures you've posted below [/EDIT]

I thought the rulebook said the WHOLE wheelarch must be present??

Well, whatever, I'm glad this will be my last Int event for sure.. Impossible to keep up with Fola's work..

Looking forward to Spa 24 hours..

Big Al

UPDATE. After Gabe's update.

2º time to insert pictures

The pic I show you is with other reference of F430.
My question: Is allowed the hole in the wheel fender?, like Fola.

guys dont PANIC.
the cars i am building for the worlds do not have that hole.
The pictured cockpits were built for normal test cars to see
how things fit.
Please ask me for my concent before posting my pictures anywhere.
fola.

the Official Cars.

I do not get it? Why is chosen in the rules that we have to use the front wheel arches? For what reason? I have never seen it before in any rule book so far.

Henri van Gool

It was in these rules from the very first publication, my educated guess is because otherwise there would be quite some "lowrider-style" F430's at the start, with almost half of the frontwheel height hidden inside the front fenders... Whatever, if it is the same for everyone, it shouldn't be too much of a problem...

VBR

Raymond

Dear Raymond,

There are to my opinion two way's to control the height of the car. The wheel dia and ground clearance (of the body), if you combine them. As you suggested that the body will be placed so low over the front wheels that you can see them half, is not reality in case of the F430. The body will be on the floor.
As I see myself as modelcar racer, I do not like to race with cars that resemble more of the road cars or tractors than FIA GT race cars.

greetz,

Henri